Guess what this is

[RBS]

This is a submission for a new thread called Guess what this is. A picture is posted and whoever correctly guesses what it is posts the next pic. 24 hours with no correct guess and the thread is open to any new post.

For example this pic..

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is the German built Bagger 288, the world's largest machine. It's a bucket wheel excavator used in open pit mining and moves on its own from mine to mine using 16 house-sized treads.

Edit: Well this thread is over 1 year old and still going. Thank you all for participating. I found something funny on the web today when I went back to check on the Bagger 288 hoping a new model might be out. Somebody got the idea to turn it into a Transformer and I love the way it turned out so I will share it here. For a second I thought the machine actually folded up this way...LOL. When I saw the cars in the same positions I knew better.

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[Mistery]

Would you like to post the first image that we have to guess, too?

[RBS]

Sure, shall I go ahead and start here? Here is first one...

What is this? (circa 1297)

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[jack]

A copy of the Magna Carta. Here is the pic:

http://www.rarebookreview.com/page/20/?nav=aboutus

Here is the next one:
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Its the most valuable of its kind in the world and is the only one known to still exist. Its current owner is in prison for murder.

[Lilliputt]

Oh... I suppose this is really a question for Becky :shy: Oh, well...
British Guiana One Cent Black on Magenta, year of Issue: 1856

[jack]

Good job Lilli :) You got it

[Lilliputt]

Thank you :) Next item

Thank you :) Next item
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4094/grunka5qj4.jpg

[Mistery]

pencil sharpener :?

[Lilliputt]

No, dear wonderful favourite alien. This thing might go to your database anyhow... I dunno :boo: :P

[humphryboop]

uhh Playdo?

[Mistery]

Carrot grater? lol :haha:

[Lilliputt]

No, it is something you might find on a desk... well on a desk of someone with an odd sense of taste perhaps :P :haha:

@Mistery
:haha: I WISH!! :rofl-smilie:

[Tarheelz]

umm im stuck so im just gonna say a a stress reliever for those angry people out there

[Lilliputt]

No, it's not that. In this picture the item has been taken apart but those two pieces make ONE item :) Hint: mend things :D

[Mistery]

Taken apart? :o
A tape dispenser :?

[Lilliputt]

YAY! Well done dear da alien!! Here is what it looks like when in one piece
http://www.roligaprylar.se/images/products/420/21-398-20080311130350.jpg
It is called the HULA-HULA TAPE DISPENSER :haha:

[Mistery]

Ah, that was a very sneaky-snaky one :P

Okay, what is this?

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[gh1]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaa pancake flipper?

[Crimsonthread]

A massager?

[Mistery]

No, it's not a pancake flipper.

Well... ummm... no, it's not really a massager, ROFL :haha:
Sorry, I had to lol ;)

[gh1]

it's some sort of utensil as it has a hole in it, unless it's a spaceship that Mistery uses to hang-up when she's done.

[Mistery]

Yes, it's a kitchen tool :)

[gh1]

is it an icecube tray

[Mistery]

No.

[gh1]

a frying pan

[Lilliputt]

Perhaps one of those gadgets for pressing garlic in? :?

[Mistery]

@gh1 and Lilli
No, it isn't.

Another hint: you prepare a certain "ingredient" with it.
Well, the massager from Crimson was already not bad, but ... :rofl-smilie:

[gh1]

:D is it a secret ingredient:? *raises eyebrow*

[Mistery]

:D is it a secret ingredient:? *raises eyebrow*

No, not a secret ingredient, lol.

[Lilliputt]

You prepare... the NUT yes :D

[Mistery]

No.

It is used to prepare non-vegetarian food.

[gh1]

non-vegeterian food.!??!?!

is it used to prepare chicken?

[Lilliputt]

:o... Oh Crimson is so out of here :S
It is a meat beater/hammer? :?

[gh1]

it's a kitchen utensil "tool" to prepare a chicken for meat beating. yes..

hm something about fish?

[Mistery]

It's not to prepare chicken, nor is it a meat hammer.
It's sort of a "massager" :haha: :P
But what do you do with it exaclty?

[Lilliputt]

*Is at loss for words* Ahem... fluff the cat fur before coffee? :P :P :P

[Mistery]

Hmmm, you come nearer - but it's not used on cats :haha:

What is there aside from chicken and pork and mutton?

[Lilliputt]

Pleeeeeaaaaase tell me you don't mean fish :S

[Mistery]

Yes, I do :P

[Lilliputt]

Fish Bone Tweezers? :?

[Mistery]

Ummm... nope.

[Lilliputt]

Some sort of fisch scale utensil to remove the scales?

Edit: It's the Magic Fish Scaler :)

[Mistery]

Yeeeeeeeeeees!!!! :appl:

It's a fish scaler :)

(I had to laugh about massager, because it's sort of a dead fish massager :P)

[gh1]

it's a kitchen utensil "tool" to prepare a chicken for meat beating. yes..

hm something about fish?


ya missed my fish part :P

ah well i was playing a flash game

[Lilliputt]

Ewww... you aliens sure have a morbid sense of humor http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Krank/smilie_krank_012.gif
Ok... hold on for the next one :)

EDIT: Ok here we go :) I hope it is easy ;)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9651/grunka6cw4.jpg

[Mistery]

Hmmm... is it an invisible carrot? :P

EDIT
Yay, finally :D

A radio :?

[ShiningStar]

um a head massager :?

[gh1]

is it a grunka?

[Lilliputt]

No, GH1 :haha: A "grunka" is Swedish slang for a gadget ;)

@Mistery
I guess it could be in your home world :P

@Shining
You got it :leb:

[Mistery]

Really? :o
OMB, I wouldn't want a slurp spider on my head :P

Congrats Shining :appl:

[Lilliputt]

Here is a secret
My pup daughter has one of those :haha:

[ShiningStar]

:o I did :D yay!

ok heres mine it's from 1962 it's a toy(looking for the name of the toy) :)

[Lilliputt]

Uh.... ok. I guess it is a FROG TOY! :P :haha:

[Mistery]

Odd Ogg :?

[ShiningStar]

Lilli: lol yes it is part frog part turtle :P

Mistery: YES! Congrats!

I should have cleared the last letters of the name off the pic :P

[Lilliputt]

Ahem... suppose it helped that you gave enormous big hints about it :haha:

[ShiningStar]

haha! yeah must be :P

[Mistery]

No, that didn't help. I found it by the year ;)

Okay, here is something alienish :haha:
Don't tell it's my sonbunny, cause it's not :P

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[ShiningStar]

uhhhh a juicer :?

[Mistery]

No, no juicer.

[Lilliputt]

:? And here I thought it was a web cam :P

[gh1]

is it a computer device?

[Mistery]

No web cam.

Not really a computer device, but might be used as such - maybe.

[gh1]

does it record data such as audio?

[Lilliputt]

O’hEocha Audiophile’s Speakers :)

[Mistery]

No, it doesn't record sound or other data.

EDIT
Correct Lilli, speakers :appl:

[gh1]

is it a toy?

[Lilliputt]

Thank you, my dear alien. Here you go
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9320/grunka7ax9.jpg

[ShiningStar]

glasses :P

[Lilliputt]

No... but an interesting thought :haha:

[Mistery]

(Metal toes as ear plugs maybe? :P :haha:)

Ummm, a double knife, lol

[gh1]

uncracked alien easter eggs?

[Lilliputt]

@Mistery
(I KNEW you was gonna say that :rofl-smilie:)

Nope :)

@GH1
Scary thought :S... NO! :P

[jack]

Magnets

[Lilliputt]

Yes, Jack :) Your turn ;)

[jack]

Yay

Here you go

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[Lilliputt]

It's a nose trimmer :S

[jack]

Yup, good job. I need to break out my digital camera. I have lots of weird stuff in my house. (I don't have the nose trimmer though :) )

[Mistery]

Yup, good job. I need to break out my digital camera. I have lots of weird stuff in my house. (I don't have the nose trimmer though :) )

Who would have thought that? Yeah, show us your strange stuff :haha:
(Do you also have a blue wig thingy maybe? :haha:)

[ShiningStar]

lol nice nose trimmer :P

[Lilliputt]

Ok... here is the next :
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/514f5184ed.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

[jack]

Is that a phone?

[Mistery]

That was my first thought, too.
But it could also be a lamp maybe... :?

[ShiningStar]

heater:?

[Lilliputt]

Sorry :S Major computer failure :S
Well... da Shining is the closest. I have a confession... I got it from da aliens spaceship :P :haha:

[jack]

mini stove?

[gh1]

da aliens speakers with heaters , is it a headpiece?

[Mistery]

Ummm, is Shining right :?
Or do we have to guess more... it could be a hair dryer.

[Jones]

Is it just me, or is it solar powered (I think I see a solar panel)? :?

[Lilliputt]

@Jack
Uhm... I would not call it that no.

@GH1
No :)

@Mistery
Shining was just on the right track and now. Dear da alien, think cat hair :P

@Jonas
Welcome :D Nope, it is just you :P

[Jones]

Dust buster/vacuum cleaner?

[Lilliputt]

@Jones
No :)

[Mistery]

A razor :?

[Lilliputt]

I was more in the "spillitis" kinda ideas :haha:

[Mistery]

thermos flask :?

(I'm off for now, too - will check the thread tomorrow :))

[Lilliputt]

No but you are getting closer, dear wonderful favourite alien :D

[Mistery]

A water boiling thingy :? :P

[Brimful-Asha]

shower head?

[Lilliputt]

No, and sure do hope no one will ever use it as such :S :P :haha:

@Mistery
Still not there, my dear alien :)

[Brimful-Asha]

a heating thingy for bad backs?

[Lilliputt]

No... not that either. Methinks this is more of a kitchen item, really :)

[Brimful-Asha]

:hmm: thermo flask?

[Mistery]

I've already posted it here:
http://gamershood.com/forum/showpost.php?p=630268&postcount=95

:P lol

[Lilliputt]

Mistery already guessed that and it is still not quite right :P

@Mistery
I really think you should know by now dear da alien :D I gave you very alienish clues :P :P :P

[Brimful-Asha]

:haha: what on earth issit then, i defo dont have this kinda item in my kitchenn :P maybe just in a lilliputish kitchen :P
a grill?

[Mistery]

Lol, must be sth Lilliputtish. Like a carrot steamer :P

[Lilliputt]

Me ...uh... borrowed it from da aliens spaceship, ya know :P

@Mistery
What is it you like ta have cat hair in? ;)

[Brimful-Asha]

coffee grinder?

[Lilliputt]

Muuuuuch closer :D

[Brimful-Asha]

expresso machine?

[Lilliputt]

Close enough, I think. It is a coffee maker, da Sumitra. Don't ask me how it works. It is still an enigma :haha:

[Brimful-Asha]

what the heck hahahahah it looks more like a shower head to me :P, ok let me go look for an equally mad creation :P

[Lilliputt]

I hope you find a nice one :D

[Brimful-Asha]

Ok here goes :D
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa264/Brimful-Asha/nopeeking-1.jpg

[RBS]

Is it a bird house?

[Brimful-Asha]

Not quite, its more towards insect use D

[Jones]

Butterfly cage/house?

[Brimful-Asha]

nope and nope

[RBS]

Flying bug hotel. They check in but don't ever check out?

[Brimful-Asha]

hahhahaa good one RBS but unfortunately, thats not it, riddle me this:

1.it depends very much on the sun
2.a play's venue

=........

[RBS]

stage?

Cant get the first part.

[Brimful-Asha]

riddle part 1:

whats the word used when somethin runs on the power of the sun?

part 2:

no stage as such, but more the whole arena of where the play is performed, sometimes confused with a cinema.

[Jones]

Aha! It's a solar insect theater! Right?

[RBS]

maybe solar + odium = solarium. Getting warmer I hope?

LOL, jones. Now playing...ANTZ!

[Brimful-Asha]

yes!!! well done Jones....to be more exact its a solar powered insect theatre but good answer! bravo :appl:

very well thought of RBS but Jones got the answer :)

[Jones]

Okay, I'll find something now...

[Brimful-Asha]

Well done Jones ;)

[RBS]

Wow, fascinating! Don't know if this has caught on in the USA. Those UKers think of everything.

[Brimful-Asha]

I didnt even know of its existence till today :P i just typed in strange gadgets into google image :D

[Jones]

Okay; what is this (be specific):

http://www.software-to-go.com/images/Osborne1.jpg

[Crimsonthread]

It's a really weird computer! (Haha, I know that wasn't specific enough, but my googling hasn't gotten me anywhere)

[jack]

Osbourne 1 Portable Computer

[Jones]

Whoa, Jack! You are very smart. That's right! :D

It was basically the first laptop released on the public, I'm pretty sure.

[Crimsonthread]

Jack already got it. :haha: I'd entered every adjective I could think of, but not "portable."

[Jones]

Jack already got it. :haha: I'd entered every adjective I could think of, but not "portable."
Doesn't it look so convenient? :laughSMILE:

[jack]

Heres an old childhood favorite of mine

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[Crimsonthread]

Um.... this is way too obvious, so I know I'm missing something, but an octopus toy? :?

EDIT: Is it one of those sticky toys, the ones you can throw against the wall and they'll stick?

[jack]

Yes. It had a specific name though. They were very popular in the 80s.

[Jones]

I know what it does; you throw it at a wall or someting and it sticks, then it starts to "walk" down as the tentacles lose their grip.

[Tarheelz]

a suctopus? lol

[Jones]

The name was Wacky Wallwalker!

[Crimsonthread]

Wacky Wallwalker! Somehow, although I'm an 80s child, I missed out on that fad. Now I want one. :)

EDIT: Darn! I was late!

[jack]

Good job Jones :D

[Jones]

Good job Jones :D

Thanks jack; ok, the next one is also specific:

http://www.popculturebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/daft.jpg

[Crimsonthread]

Um... I don't know exactly what it means, but is it Daft Punk?

[humphryboop]

Something that hurts my eyes
A daft??????

[Jones]

Um... I don't know exactly what it means, but is it Daft Punk?

that works for me... they're in the pyramid that they use for practically all of their concerts; good job

[Crimsonthread]

Next one:

[RBS]

Would help if we could tell the size. From the shape and the large opening at the bottom I will get a pizza machine/cooker of some kind.

Googling all kind of keywords with pizza but nothing so probably not right.

[jack]

Is it a coffee grinder?

[Crimsonthread]

No, Jack, and nowhere close, RBS.

Size--It would fit in the palm of your hand. :)

[jack]

Is it some sort of container?

[Crimsonthread]

No.

[thom.d]

a fishing reel?

[jack]

Perhaps a massager?

[Crimsonthread]

No, and Nope!

It helps you keep things together.

[jack]

A button?

[RBS]

bet it's a stapler gun

Edit: found it, its a stapleless stapler gun Cool.

[Crimsonthread]

It has a button, but that's not all. :)

EDIT: RBS got it! :)

[RBS]

What is this? 99% of pictures are taken inside but this is it from outside. Alien x-ray vision would certainly help here.

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[thom.d]

dome des invalides, paris

[RBS]

nope, right continent.

[thom.d]

St. Peter's Basilica, vatican city

[RBS]

red hot, one answer better because that is not St. Peters dome.

Edit: if you were inside you would be under one of the worlds great masterpieces.

[thom.d]

Sistene Chapel?

[RBS]

:appl: glad you got it thom, I was torn to give it on St. Peters but you nailed it.

[thom.d]

thanks. but are you sure that isn't st. peter's dome because i thought the sistene chapel looks like this from the outside?

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/italy/images/vatican/sistine-chapel/exterior-wga-172.jpg

don't know if this one is too obscure, but what and where?

http://images1.filecloud.com/690102/abcd.jpg

[RBS]

hmm. I was really in a hurry and maybe I missed that.
I believe you are right and I stand corrected.

[vlc5863]

Is it a restaurant called 'The Dish'?

[thom.d]

Is it a restaurant called 'The Dish'?

no.

[vlc5863]

Is it a Museum?

[thom.d]

Is it a Museum?

it was a museum until 1989, but not anymore.

[Hitman]

Galaxy Building maybe?

[thom.d]

Galaxy Building maybe?

no, it is in europe though.

[Jones]

It is/was the Evoluon Museum, located in the Netherlands.

[thom.d]

It is/was the Evoluon Museum, located in the Netherlands.

Well done Jones! It is no longer a museum but a conference center. Okay, it's not exactly the Sistene Chapel but I drive past it on my way to work every morning.

[Jones]

Well done Jones! It is no longer a museum but a conference center. Okay, it's not exactly the Sistene Chapel but I drive past it on my way to work every morning.

Sounds good. :D

I'll look for something now...

[RBS]

Jones got it! http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/4a/280px-Evoluon.jpg

Good hunting Jones, I had no luck googling spaceship or flying saucer

[Jones]

O.K., what's this a picture of:

http://www.visitquebec.com/images/Biodome.jpg

[thom.d]

hehe, perhaps you should rename the jpg :)

[vlc5863]

Yeah, you're gonna have to change the pic now.

[Jones]

Changed it, just go back

[RBS]

I think is used to be the Olympic Stadium in Montreal.

[Jones]

I think is used to be the Olympic Stadium in Montreal.
Very good, RBS, it was, but do you know its name/purpose now?

[RBS]

uh, baseball maybe. Do I still post?

[wirodeu]

Its a biodome, a place where you can see different enviroments.

New one:
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1333/footergyroidleftnewsji2.gif

[Crimsonthread]

It's the Parc Olympique, and is used as a stadium for sports? (i.e. soccer, baseball, football)

@Wirodeu--It's not the biodome. :)... Erm, well, now that I research more, the biodome is part of Parc Olympique... but... I'm confused now. :?

[wirodeu]

It's not? :S I looked some more up about it and am quite confident that it's a Bio-dome thing... Lets see what Jones says ^^

[Crimsonthread]

Edited my above post.

[Jones]

OK, I'll hand this one to Crimsonthread, but the story behind this was that after the olympics, they converted it into a Biodome, and it has been one ever since (I'm pretty sure).

(you're both right in my technical mind, though);)

[Crimsonthread]

Wirodeu, we can go with your picture next since you posted before me and your answer was correct, too. :)

Yours reminds me of the trees that shoot things on Kirby games. :haha:

[wirodeu]

Nope, it's not something of an old game like kirby's adventure for NES (I take it that you refer to that game? :P).

It's something for a newer game platform, and I believe somewhere from 2004-2005 ;)

[Jones]

Wirodeu, we can go with your picture next since you posted before me and your answer was correct, too. :)

Yours reminds me of the trees that shoot things on Kirby games. :haha:

Sorry for the trouble...sounds logical, ok!

[Crimsonthread]

:haha: Things often get confusing in forum games!

Newer platform, eh? I'm not too good with current games.

Erm. Is it supposed to be an animated fire hydrant?

[thom.d]

a gyroid from the game animal crossing for nintendo ds?

http://animalcrossing.wikia.com/wiki/Gyroid

someone else can do a new one if they like, i really need to sleep now.

[RBS]

I would never have known that one. Here is one relating to computers in a round about way...what is this?

(Recipe may be halved)
2 cups butter
4 cups flour
2 tsp. soda
2 cups sugar
5 cups blended oatmeal ***
24 oz. chocolate chips
2 cups brown sugar
1 tsp. salt
1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated)
4 eggs
2 tsp. baking powder
2 tsp. vanilla
3 cups chopped nuts (your choice)
* Measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder.
* Cream the butter and both sugars.
* Add eggs and vanilla, mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda.
* Add chocolate chips, Hershey Bar and nuts.
* Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet.
*Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies.
PLEASE SEND TO EVERY PERSON YOU KNOW WHO HAS
=== message truncated ===

[gh1]

is it cookies?

[RBS]

more to the story, the bottom two lines are important. Plus as mentioned it has computer relevance.

[vlc5863]

Is it the Neiman Marcus Internet Hoax?

Lol, like your Avatar RBS.

[RBS]

:appl: That's it vlc. wtg and thank you!

[vlc5863]

*takes a bow*

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[RBS]

looks like nunchucks, but cheaply made. Hmmm.

[gh1]

nunchucks

i jinx you RBS

[vlc5863]

Lol, not nunchucks.

[jack]

A jumprope for a really short person?

[RBS]

I didn't think they were nunchucks, just look like them. How long are those wooden bars would you guess...around a foot long?

[vlc5863]

A jumprope for a really short person?

You mean for like a Leprachaun?

[jack]

Sure. It is almost St. Pats day.

[RBS]

is it claves? (a percussion instrument)

[vlc5863]

You're never going to figure out what it is if you don't start asking questions.

Edit: Not claves. Not an instrument.

[RBS]

You're never going to figure out what it is if you don't start asking questions.

Edit: Not claves. Not an instrument.


Ok, a question. Are the wooden bars handles you grip to use this?

[Crimsonthread]

Is it used for recreation?

[vlc5863]

No and no.

[RBS]

can I buy one at wal-mart?

[Crimsonthread]

Are they used more commonly in one part of the world than another?

[vlc5863]

@RBS - I don't think so. But Im positive you can buy another style of it there.

@crimsonthread - no.

Ill give you a hint: It's something used almost every day. It's the design that has you thrown off. It pretty mundane.

[Crimsonthread]

Shoes! :haha:

Used most every day by most every person?

Also, do more common forms consist of two objects connected by a string?

[vlc5863]

@crimsonthread - no.

I have one that stretches like an accordion made of stainless steel.

[Crimsonthread]

Are these things used in the kitchen?

[vlc5863]

Not exactly. The are used for things FROM the kitchen. :) You are getting close now.

[RBS]

found it. A trivet! http://www.giftzen.com/gfx/pics/bruce-trivet.jpg

Any fans of the TV show Numbers? What is this? (all you need is the man's name who came up with it)

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[vlc5863]

Yay! You are right. :appl:

[Crimsonthread]

:S I use trivets in my kitchen, not from my kitchen. :P Besides, how on earth would you use THAT as a trivet?

[RBS]

new post is 3 up

[vlc5863]

crimsonthead I usually use my trivets on the dining room table. Sorry, if I confused you.

@RBS - No, I've never watched that show.

[Crimsonthread]

No, I'm joking. My dining table is in my kitchen. ;)

Is it Bernoulli?

[RBS]

You got it Crimson. from trivets to physics. wtg.

[vlc5863]

wtg crimson!

[Crimsonthread]

Google and Wikipedia were definitely helpful on that one! I had no clue.

Sorry, it's taking me a bit to find the next one. :)

EDIT: Someone else want to take my turn? I'm not feeling very creative right now.

[vlc5863]

Want me to take it RBS? I have one ready to go.

This shouldn't be too hard :)
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[RBS]

by all means.

[Crimsonthread]

Oops, got two now... I'll delete mine and save it for later.

[jack]

VLCs is a toothpick holder. Unsure on Crimsons

[vlc5863]

Jack got it! :appl:

[Crimsonthread]

Oh, cute, VLC! I was thinking of something squishy, like a stress ball type thing, because of the holes.

Go ahead, Jack, I'll save mine for the next time I win. :)

[RBS]

Incense burner? if no is it anything to do with aroma?


Edit: oh Jack got it, wtg. never saw crimsons. good job ev1

[jack]

I actually own that toothpick holder. That makes it a bit easier. I blocked out a portion of this one that would make it obvious.

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[Crimsonthread]

Mini-slot machine?

[jack]

Nope. I own one of these too actually.

[vlc5863]

Is it a heater?

Oh, maybe an old hand dryer?

[jack]

No. Crimsons guess was closer. This is from the 50s. Its from a diner.

[Crimsonthread]

Is it coin-operated?

--Fortune teller? Like in that Twilight Zone episode?

[jack]

Yes it is. It takes pennies.

@Crimson Thats close enough. Its a Swami Fortune teller. That episode was based on it. Good job. :)

[gh1]

hey jack

[humphryboop]

is it 1?
an oven?
an micro-wave?
a toaster?

[vlc5863]

Lol, I remember that Twilight Zone episode.

Is it an air conditioner?

Wtg crimson!

[jack]

Crimson got it :)

[humphryboop]

Ah Ok

[RBS]

haha...pennies!

Edit: crimson, are you going to re-up your picture?

[Crimsonthread]

Here's mine (again):

Remember, be specific!

(I'll be back in a tick)